Legislature(1995 - 1996)

02/14/1995 08:05 AM Senate STA

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    JOINT SENATE AND HOUSE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEES                   
                       February 14, 1995                                       
                           8:05 a.m.                                           
                                                                               
                                                                               
 SENATE STATE AFFAIRS MEMBERS PRESENT                                          
                                                                               
 Senator Bert Sharp, Chair                                                     
 Senator Loren Leman                                                           
 Senator Randy Phillips                                                        
                                                                               
 SENATE STATE AFFAIRS MEMBERS ABSENT                                           
                                                                               
 Senator Jim Duncan                                                            
 Senator Dave Donley                                                           
                                                                               
 HOUSE STATE AFFAIRS MEMBERS PRESENT                                           
                                                                               
 Representative Jeannette James, Chair                                         
 Representative Scott Ogan, Vice-Chair                                         
 Representative Joe Green                                                      
 Representative Ivan Ivan                                                      
 Representative Brian Porter                                                   
 Representative Caren Robinson                                                 
 Representative Ed Willis                                                      
                                                                               
 HOUSE STATE AFFAIRS MEMBERS ABSENT                                            
                                                                               
 All members present                                                           
                                                                               
 COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                            
                                                                               
 Confirmation Hearings for:                                                    
                                                                               
 Margaret Pugh, Commissioner Designee                                          
      Department of Corrections                                                
                                                                               
 Pete Hallgren, Personnel Board                                                
                                                                               
 Ronald Otte, Commissioner Designee                                            
      Department of Public Safety                                              
                                                                               
 Mark Boyer, Commissioner Designee                                             
      Department of Administration                                             
                                                                               
 ACTION NARRATIVE                                                              
                                                                               
 TAPE 95-15, SIDE A                                                            
 Number 000                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR BERT SHARP, Chair of the Senate State Affairs Committee,              
 called the meeting to order at 8:05 a.m. and announced that the               
 purpose of the joint meeting was to hold confirmation hearings for            
 Margaret Pugh as Commissioner of the Department of Corrections;               
 Pete Hallgren, Member, Personnel Board; Mark Boyer as Commissioner            
 of the Department of Administration; and Ron Otte as Commissioner             
 of the Department of Public Safety.                                           
                                                                               
 Number 034                                                                    
                                                                               
 MARGARET PUGH, Commissioner Designee of Corrections, introduced               
 herself.                                                                      
                                                                               
 SENATOR SHARP noted the committee had copies of Commissioner Pugh's           
 resume and asked the committee if there were any questions for her.           
                                                                               
 Number 054                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR LOREN LEMAN asked about the Cleary Settlement and how                 
 Commissioner Pugh saw her department dealing with the mandates                
 which resulted.                                                               
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE PUGH replied she did not have a copy of the             
 report but had been discussing methods for lowering the cost of               
 incarceration in Alaska.                                                      
                                                                               
 SENATOR LEMAN said he would get her a copy of the hearing tapes.              
                                                                               
 Number 110                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE SCOTT OGAN said his son had asked why prisoners have           
 cable television and weight rooms when prison is supposed to be a             
 punishment, and stated the public often perceives punishment for              
 criminals is not difficult enough.  He stated he was very impressed           
 with the Point MacKenzie facility and asked Commissioner Pugh if              
 she were supportive of this project and whether she believed                  
 prisoners should continue to be used to upgrade the assets of the             
 farm project there.                                                           
                                                                               
 Number 169                                                                    
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE MARGARET PUGH said she believed the program             
 was viable and should be continued, but that expansion of the                 
 project depended upon resources available.  REPRESENTATIVE OGAN               
 stated he was impressed with how motivated  the residents were to             
 stay there and learn skills.                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 199                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE JEANNETTE JAMES said she would like to hear                    
 Commissioner Pugh's basic philosophy of corrections and crime                 
 control, and her intent regarding cooperation with the legislature            
 as they try to solve these problems.                                          
                                                                               
 Number 219                                                                    
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE PUGH said she has every intention to                    
 cooperate and she looks forward to continuing work with the budget            
 subcommittee.  She stated she believes that corrections is an                 
 integral but often neglected part of the criminal justice system              
 and it exists to enhance the public safety of Alaskans.  She added            
 that, though the department has very little control over who enters           
 the system, she believes there is an obligation to try to make them           
 productive citizens when they get out.                                        
                                                                               
 Number 270                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE BRIAN PORTER commented that the monumental                     
 supplemental budget from Corrections is because the previous                  
 Administration told the previous commissioner to spend at the                 
 budget level, not the appropriation level.  He noted this is not a            
 good policy to continue, and asked how the Cleary fines will be               
 handled.                                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 285                                                                    
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE PUGH stated this is still being decided.                
 Plaintiffs are making a case that fines should be used for inmates,           
 and the department is arguing that the funds should be returned to            
 the department for general budget purposes.                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE PORTER observed many legislators would be                      
 disappointed if the money went into a "Prisoners Benevolent Fund"             
 or something similar.                                                         
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE PUGH stated it was not the department's                 
 position to create such a fund.                                               
                                                                               
 Number 295                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE PORTER noted management problems have resulted                 
 because there is no "middle-management" level, in the Department of           
 Corrections, to implement policy and asked if this might be                   
 changed.                                                                      
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE PUGH said she would like to change this if              
 funds can be made available, and noted there is not much                      
 infrastructure in the department, decisions go directly from policy           
 level to practitioner level, and this needs her immediate                     
 attention.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 333                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR SHARP asked Commissioner Pugh if she were represented by a            
 union and what her status in the union would be as a commissioner.            
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE PUGH replied she was not represented by a               
 union the past four years since she was a legislative employee, and           
 the five years prior to that she was in the exempt category.                  
                                                                               
 Number 346                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE JOE GREEN discussed shipping prisoners out of state            
 as a method of saving money, and asked Commissioner Pugh's plans              
 for this or other methods of saving funds.                                    
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE PUGH replied she viewed shipping prisoners to           
 Arizona as a stop-gap measure, and she thought this should be an              
 introspective year for the department aimed at developing a                   
 comprehensive plan of dealing with the growing inmate population.             
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GREEN asked for her personal opinion about shipping            
 prisoners out of state.                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 390                                                                    
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE PUGH said she would prefer Alaska to be able            
 to meet its own needs and added it is not good for inmates to be              
 away from their own communities and cultures because it makes                 
 reintegration more difficult when they are released.  She added               
 development of larger facilities in the more populated areas would            
 decrease the per prisoner, per day cost.                                      
                                                                               
 Number 439                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE IVAN IVAN recommended hiring several liaisons, for             
 different regions, who would be more aware of cultural                        
 organizations, needs, and problems.                                           
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE PUGH replied she is currently interviewing              
 for the position of Rural Coordinator to fulfill just such a role,            
 for all rural areas of the state.                                             
                                                                               
 Number 472                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR SHARP pointed out he has encountered much dismay with                 
 probation officers "playing phone tag" with prisoners instead of              
 contacting them in person, because of a serious backlog.  He                  
 believes "the worst of the worst" convicted felons are out on                 
 parole, and if anything we ought to keep track of them visually, as           
 often as possible.                                                            
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE PUGH said she had recently appointed Linda              
 Zaugg as Director of Community Corrections to deal with this                  
 problem.                                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 503                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR SHARP said he had heard in Fairbanks that the correctional            
 facility had a partial wing being used just for storage, which                
 could accommodate 10 to 15 more inmates, and asked that this be               
 checked out.  He added he heard one wing of Spring Creek Prison               
 still had only single occupancy, when money had been appropriated             
 to double bunk some of those cells.                                           
                                                                               
 Number 517                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE CAREN ROBINSON said since juvenile waivers began,              
 there has been a 200 percent increase in the number of juveniles              
 going into adult facilities, and asked what problems this has                 
 created.                                                                      
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE PUGH replied we are just beginning to see               
 juveniles sentenced under last year's law and the number will                 
 increase.  She added having juveniles in adult facilities is a                
 problem, because they are more likely to be victimized, and because           
 they have less impulse control than adults so dealing with them               
 requires a different structure.  She suggested separate wings to              
 house them, and mentioned aging inmates present a different set of            
 problems.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 560                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE CAREN ROBINSON inquired about women in detention and           
 the potential for another suit similar to the Cleary suit.                    
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE PUGH said there had been no resolution; the             
 Cleary suit had called for separate facilities for women offenders            
 by 1994, and obviously that has not occurred.  She added that women           
 say they do not get the jobs or the activities available to men,              
 and this has not been addressed satisfactorily either.                        
                                                                               
 SENATOR SHARP thanked Commissioner Pugh and suggested moving on to            
 the next candidate.                                                           
                                                                               
 Number 589                                                                    
                                                                               
 PETE HALLGREN, Member of the Personnel Board, testified via                   
 teleconference.                                                               
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE JAMES asked for comments from Mr. Hallgren about why           
 he wants this position.                                                       
                                                                               
 MR. HALLGREN replied that, as his resume states, he has been                  
 involved in government for the past 20 years and is very interested           
 in the process; he enjoys the process and the public service.                 
                                                                               
 Number 605                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ROBINSON asked for an explanation as to why the                
 committee was reviewing this candidate when Mr. Hallgren's name had           
 not been sent down by the Governor's Office for confirmation.                 
                                                                               
 SENATOR SHARP replied Mr. Hallgren's name had been read across in             
 the Senate and he was instructed to have hearings.                            
                                                                               
 Number 611                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR LOREN LEMAN noted Mr. Hallgren had been admitted to the               
 Sitka Tribal Bar, and referred to a statement made recently by a              
 candidate for a commissioner position regarding the cultural                  
 ignorance and racial bias of the Supreme Court.  He asked if Mr.              
 Hallgren had made the same observations of the Alaska court system.           
                                                                               
 MR. HALLGREN said he did not know; he had seen many changes over              
 the years in Native self-determination, and the Sitka Tribal Court            
 was a pioneer effort.  He added it was a growing process.                     
                                                                               
 Number 630                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE JOE GREEN commented Mr. Hallgren was chairman of the           
 Republican Party and asked if he planned to continue with this                
 affiliation.                                                                  
                                                                               
 MR. HALLGREN replied his confirmation to the Personnel Board would            
 not determine whether he continued with his party position.  He               
 added he had not run for the position, and his continuing in that             
 capacity would depend on how well he did the job.                             
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GREEN  asked if there would be a conflict for his              
 time.                                                                         
                                                                               
 MR. HALLGREN said there is always a conflict for his time, and he             
 has the privilege of being involved in a lot of things.                       
                                                                               
 Number 654                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ED WILLIS asked what the Personnel Board does.                 
                                                                               
 MR. HALLGREN replied the board was set up prior to state employees            
 becoming predominantly unionized, so it does not deal with                    
 employees who fall under collective bargaining units.  He continued           
 the Personnel Board deals with about 1,200 non-unionized employees,           
 they approve and disapprove amendments to the personnel roles,                
 consider recommendations for the classified service, and handle               
 some ethics appeals.                                                          
                                                                               
 Number 670                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ROBINSON asked if Mr. Hallgren if he was currently             
 sitting on the board.                                                         
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE JAMES said he had been appointed to the board in               
 June, 1994.                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ROBINSON asked Mr. Hallgren about a memorandum he              
 had sent to the Republican Party of Alaska expressing concern over            
 a resolution requesting the Congressional Delegation, Governor, and           
 state Legislators to employ registered Republicans on their exempt            
 staff.                                                                        
                                                                               
 MR. HALLGREN replied the memorandum was one which came from the               
 Republican Party at the state convention asking elected Republican            
 legislators to hire registered Republicans as staff members.                  
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ROBINSON asked Mr. Hallgren if he thought this                 
 should be a requirement on the state level.                                   
                                                                               
 MR. HALLGREN replied Republican Party leaders should hire                     
 Republicans.                                                                  
                                                                               
 TAPE 95-15, SIDE B                                                            
 Number 000                                                                    
                                                                               
 RONALD L. OTTE, Commissioner Designee, Department of Public Safety,           
 introduced himself and said he had been involved in law enforcement           
 in Alaska for 29 years.                                                       
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE PORTER stated he had known Commissioner Otte for a             
 number of years, had worked closely with him and was in favor of              
 his appointment.                                                              
                                                                               
 Number 036                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GREEN asked Commissioner Otte what he had been doing           
 for the year hiatus in his resume.                                            
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE OTTE explained he spent the time developing             
 his own consulting business and visiting family.                              
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE JAMES commented she had extensive conversations with           
 Commissioner Otte and any questions she had were already answered             
 to her satisfaction.                                                          
                                                                               
 SENATOR SHARP asked when the Governor had appointed Commissioner              
 Otte.                                                                         
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE OTTE said he started on December 19, 1994,              
 and had been appointed a week prior to that, and had been on the              
 job since then.                                                               
                                                                               
 Number 080                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR SHARP asked Commissioner Otte if he had any experience in             
 management audits.                                                            
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE OTTE replied he had some experience                     
 investigating criminal audits.                                                
                                                                               
 SENATOR SHARP questioned Commissioner Otte about the "wolf                    
 incident" of November 29, 1994, asking whether there had been any             
 contact with the Governor or his staff after the original                     
 assignment directives regarding the investigation, up to the time             
 of the transmittal of the draft to the Governor's Office.                     
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE OTTE answered he had no conversations with              
 the Governor.  He added he had one conversation with the Governor's           
 Chief of Staff to clarify exactly what focus he was looking for in            
 the report.                                                                   
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE OTTE added his concern was that Public Safety           
 not be put in a position to pass judgmental considerations as to              
 whether the wolf and predator control was good or bad.  He wanted             
 to keep the department's involvement simply focused on the incident           
 of November 29, and he reaffirmed this in his conversation with the           
 Chief of Staff.                                                               
                                                                               
 Number 125                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR SHARP asked Commissioner Otte if there were reviews, in               
 oral or printed form, shared between him or any member of the                 
 Governor's staff, primarily Mr. Ayers, Mr. Ramseur, or the                    
 Governor, regarding any of Public Safety's findings in the three or           
 four drafts done in his department.                                           
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE OTTE answered there were none by him, but               
 while he was out of town Deputy Commissioner Smith spoke with the             
 Chief of Staff about the report and took it to the Department of              
 Law to insure there would be no problem in releasing it.  He was              
 aware of no discussions prior to that.                                        
                                                                               
 SENATOR SHARP said he wondered what motivated Commissioner Otte or            
 his staff to proceed through three or four editing processes which            
 continually narrowed the focus of the final report and disregarded            
 or completely reversed many of the findings enumerated in the                 
 initial draft report.                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 150                                                                    
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE OTTE answered neither Deputy Commissioner               
 Smith nor himself wrote that report.  He added they tried to                  
 provide direction to the investigators working on the report to               
 assure they understand what Public Safety's "marching orders" were            
 from the Governor's Office in terms of what the report should                 
 address.  He added he wanted to be sure Public Safety was not put             
 in a position to take a stand on predator or wolf control and he              
 tried to keep them focused on November 29, to determine what went             
 wrong and why the incident appeared as it did.                                
                                                                               
 Number 170                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR SHARP thanked Commissioner Otte for taking time to meet               
 with him the previous Saturday and said he had "blown away a lot of           
 smoke and established a comfort level" with the wolf incident                 
 investigation.  He asked whether the Governor's original directive            
 regarding the scope and the focus of the project was in writing.              
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE OTTE answered he wanted to be sure he                   
 understood the directive so he sent a memo to the Governor's office           
 on what his department felt the scope of their review should be.              
 When the Governor released his press release, many of the points              
 identified in that memo were included, so the department used the             
 Governor's news release as their guide on the project.                        
                                                                               
 SENATOR SHARP requested the original memorandum or written                    
 instructions be made available to him, and said using press                   
 releases for a guide is dangerous.  He added he appreciated the               
 openness of Commissioner Otte and his staff to discuss and provide            
 information.                                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 204                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE IVAN said he too had conversations with Commissioner           
 Otte and, therefore, did not have many questions.  He commented the           
 Department of Public Safety was spread over a large area in its               
 responsibility to keep law and order and asked that Commissioner              
 Otte attempt to strengthen the Village Public Safety Officer                  
 Program.                                                                      
                                                                               
 SENATOR SHARP asked who in the Department of Law had reviewed the             
 wolf incident report before it was sent to the Governor and whether           
 any changes had been requested.                                               
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE OTTE answered he believed the Deputy                    
 Commissioner had taken the report to Laurie Otto, and that no                 
 changes were made and there were no instructions to make changes.             
 He had the Deputy Commissioner pick up that document personally               
 when Department of Law had indicated the document contained nothing           
 to preclude it from becoming public.                                          
                                                                               
 Number 236                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE SCOTT OGAN stated he had also talked extensively               
 with Commissioner Otte about this issue and appreciated his                   
 openness and willingness to keep an open door, adding Commissioner            
 Otte had an excellent reputation in his district.                             
                                                                               
 Number 263                                                                    
 SENATOR SHARP thanked Commissioner Otte and suggested moving on to            
 the next candidate, Mark Boyer.                                               
                                                                               
 MARK BOYER, Commissioner Designee of Department of Administration,            
 testified via teleconference, saying he had been on the job since             
 December 19.  He said he had not been actively involved with the              
 Governor's campaign though he supported his candidacy.  He had left           
 his position as City Manager of Fairbanks November 1, due to a                
 difference regarding contract terms and was contacted by the                  
 Governor after the election.  He said the Governor felt his                   
 experience bargaining with Unions would be valuable.                          
                                                                               
 Number 312                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE PORTER asked Commissioner Boyer if he thought the              
 average wages and benefits of state employees were high, low, or              
 about right.                                                                  
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER BOYER DESIGNEE replied he now had a recently-completed           
 survey to verify his opinion that generally state employees enjoy             
 higher wages than their counterparts in other governments or the              
 private sector.                                                               
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE PORTER asked whether Commissioner Boyer thought the            
 number of represented employees compared to the total of state                
 employees was high, low, or about right.                                      
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE BOYER answered he sensed the state is over              
 managed and he would be reviewing this, but a simple 10 percent or            
 15 percent cut would not be adequate.  He added that there is a               
 need for an "aggressively down-sized state work force."                       
                                                                               
 Number 361                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE PORTER said his question was aimed at the percentage           
 of the number represented versus the number not represented, not at           
 the total number of the work force.                                           
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE BOYER replied there are roughly 2,500 state             
 employees not represented out of a total of about 19,000, so                  
 clearly the vast majority of state employees are represented by one           
 of the eleven bargaining units.  This poses a level of frustration            
 to any new Administration because existing employees are already              
 represented by binding contracts.                                             
                                                                               
 Number 387                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR LEMAN asked if the salary survey also included benefits.              
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE BOYER said it did, in fact the bulk of the              
 report deals with job class comparisons, including wages and all              
 benefits.                                                                     
 SENATOR LEMAN referred to Senator Stevens' report from the                    
 bipartisan Commission on Entitlement and Tax Reform, adding he                
 believes the Alaska condition is comparable to the federal                    
 condition in terms of the long-range outlook, except Alaska will              
 probably be in deep trouble sooner.   He asked Commissioner Boyer             
 if he could support the idea of changing Alaska's retirement system           
 to use defined contribution versus defined benefit for new hires.             
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE BOYER said he was familiar with the argument            
 between defined contribution versus defined benefit, and was                  
 encouraging his staff to be creative and expansive in bringing down           
 the cost of wages and benefits.                                               
                                                                               
 Number 440                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR LEMAN asked Commissioner Boyer if he had any change to                
 investigate the state procurement code to bring down the cost of              
 state purchasing.                                                             
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE BOYER replied he had not had time to focus              
 any energy on procurement, but he did have a director of General              
 Services in place and planned to begin a review process.  He                  
 referred to a list comparing current state purchase contracts with            
 prices at Costco, showing some items cost one-third of what is                
 currently being paid, and said this is a very high priority.                  
                                                                               
 Number 476                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE JAMES referred to Commissioner Boyer's earlier                 
 statement that he supported employees' rights to have a bargaining            
 unit, and his subsequent statement that as an administrator, it is            
 difficult to negotiate because of so many binding contract units.             
 She continued that although she supports private industry employees           
 rights to bargaining, she believes at a state level it interferes             
 with the legislature's rights to appropriate money for specific               
 jobs and with the people's rights to make decisions although they             
 are the payors.  She asked Commissioner Boyer whether he believed             
 it was in the best interest of the public to allow bargaining units           
 to be set up within municipal, city, and state governments.                   
                                                                               
 Number 500                                                                    
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE BOYER replied he had previously believed the            
 Public Employees Relations Act should apply to local governments              
 and school districts.  He added this is not an area available to              
 him in his current position.  He continued he believed in                     
 employees' rights to collectively bargain and there should be                 
 finality in that bargaining process, and he is an aggressive                  
 proponent of the right to strike as a benefit to both employers and           
 employees.                                                                    
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE BOYER continued he believes the legislature             
 does have its rights protected with regard to financing wages and             
 benefits by it prerogative to appropriate.                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE JAMES asked Commissioner Boyer if he saw a                     
 difference in collective bargaining between the wages and benefits            
 portion versus the issues of fairness and non-discrimination.                 
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE BOYER replied they are two different areas,             
 referred to as mandatory terms and conditions of bargaining.  He              
 said he is entrusted to uphold the law and the constitution of                
 Alaska in bargaining in good faith given the available tools.                 
                                                                               
 Number 532                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR SHARP asked if any major programs in his department will be           
 changed, particularly longevity bonus and pioneer homes.                      
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE BOYER said he agreed with phasing out the               
 Longevity Bonus Program and supports that effort.  With regard to             
 pioneer homes, he noted they have been changing to an assisted                
 living model which saves money and staffing and he will be looking            
 at combining facilities to achieve economies of scale.                        
                                                                               
 SENATOR SHARP thanked Commissioner Boyer and asked for a motion to            
 move these nominations from committee.                                        
                                                                               
 Number 574                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR RANDY PHILLIPS moved the committee adopt a letter                     
 confirming appointments of Mark Boyer as Commissioner of                      
 Administration, Ron Otte as Commissioner of Public Safety, Peter              
 Hallgren to the Personnel Board, and Margaret Pugh as Commissioner            
 of Corrections, with individual recommendations.  There were no               
 objections from Senate members, and it was so ordered.  The Senate            
 members were dismissed.                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 585                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE JAMES, Chair, House State Affairs Committee, asked             
 for a motion from the House members, noting such a motion would in            
 no way be a recommendation to vote for or against the proposed                
 candidates.                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GREEN moved the four nominations be moved from                 
 committee.                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ROBINSON requested each candidate be considered                
 separately.                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GREEN withdrew his motion.                                     
                                                                               
 Number 596                                                                    
 REPRESENTATIVE ROBINSON moved to forward Margaret Pugh's name to a            
 joint session for consideration as Commissioner of the Department             
 of Corrections.  Hearing no objection, the motion passed.                     
                                                                               
 Number 604                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE OGAN moved to forward Peter Hallgren's name to a               
 joint session for consideration for the Personnel Board.                      
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ROBINSON objected on the basis that the Governor had           
 not submitted Mr. Hallgren's name to the legislature for                      
 consideration.                                                                
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE JAMES noted she had in her office a legal opinion              
 stating Mr. Hallgren was appointed by the previous Governor and the           
 Legislature had the right to confirm him, and she said she would              
 make that legal opinion available.  She called for a vote.                    
 Representatives Green, Ivan, Porter, Ogan, and James voted "yes."             
 Representatives Robinson and  Willis voted "no."  The motion                  
 passed.                                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 627                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE PORTER moved that Ron Otte's name be forwarded to a            
 joint session for consideration for Commissioner of Department of             
 Public Safety.  Hearing no objection, the motion passed.                      
                                                                               
 Number 630                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE WILLIS moved that Mark Boyer's name be forwarded to            
 a joint session for consideration for Commissioner of Department of           
 Administration.  Hearing no objection, the motion passed.                     
                                                                               
 Number 633                                                                    
                                                                               
 [AT THIS POINT THE SENATE STATE AFFAIRS COMMITTEE WAS DISMISSED               
 FROM THE MEETING AND THE HOUSE STATE AFFAIRS COMMITTEE CONTINUED ON           
 WITH CALENDARED LEGISLATION.]                                                 
                                                                               

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